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	<title>Comments on: Kentucky nature preserves not the place for ATVs</title>
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	<description>Lexington Herald-Leader columnist Tom Eblen</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; &#8216;Adventure tourism&#8217; plan must include all voices The Bluegrass and Beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; &#8216;Adventure tourism&#8217; plan must include all voices The Bluegrass and Beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the state&#8217;s top two elected officials wrote. &#8220;They hypothesize that we intend unrestrained ATV use in even delicate environments and at the expense of other activities. Nothing could be further [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://tomeblen.bloginky.com/2008/08/20/kentucky-nature-preserves-not-the-place-for-atvs/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with a government when they destroy a landscape it is for the betterment of nature????? This is absurd. A bulldozer did alot more damage to the sandy soil than a thousand 4-wheelers.. I'm glad I vote. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. There is an old saying  "GOOD will become EVIL and EVIL will become GOOD" This is truely a disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with a government when they destroy a landscape it is for the betterment of nature????? This is absurd. A bulldozer did alot more damage to the sandy soil than a thousand 4-wheelers.. I&#8217;m glad I vote. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. There is an old saying  &#8220;GOOD will become EVIL and EVIL will become GOOD&#8221; This is truely a disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first drove across the Narrows (White's Branch Arch) in mid 1970's.  In those days the Narrows road was well maintained by large oil companies, and any kind of car could be be driven on it.  When the oil boom bottomed out and the larger oil companies pulled out, the Narrows road began to deteriorate.  Normal erosion from weather was the biggest killer, especially on the big hill on the west side of the Arch.  Rains turned it into a boulder field and made it impassable in anything except jeeps and dune buggies.  Eventually, off-roaders from out-of-state discovered the area, and the deterioration of the road was greatly accelerated.  Most of the erosion on the Arch itself was caused by big machines driven by fun-loving and often inebriated people.  A perfect combination for mindless destruction of nature!

To "cure" this problem, Natural Bridge State Park and the KY State Nature Preserves Commission conspired to keep people off the road by construction the biggest "tank traps" any of us have ever seen - even on battlefields.  This biggest one, the one closest to the Arch, is over 100 feet long, about 40 feet wide, and nearly 20 feet deep near the ends.  On either side, boulders weighing several tons have been positioned; and on the southerly side, there's a huge guard rail which runs over the mountainside.  This is the trap that was shown in the Herald-Leader with the guy standing on the foot bridge.  Because of the lens used on the camera, and the height of the camera from the ground, the trap doesn't look too big.  To see it for real makes you want to gag!  It's big enough to put a house trailer in!!! Looking at it makes you wonder what kind of mind it took to dream up such devastation.  Besides keeping out motor vehicles, this trap effectively keeps out horses, old people, and fat people because the sides at each end of the bridge are much higher and steeper than it looks in this picture.  This makes it dangerous when trying to get down to the bridge.

The purpose of this big tank trap and the MANY other smaller ones was to discourage people from using the Narrows Road.  I'm told that the Nature Preserves Commission had to be threatened with a lawsuit because they tried to stop a mountain bike race from using the Road.  The race was eventually allowed when an attorney pointed out that the Sheltowee Trace also runs down the Narrows Road, and so bikers, etc. couldn't be kept out.

I see now why the off-road people are using the word "hypocricy" when describing the damage the government did.  The massive damage caused by all the traps and berms makes the 4-wheeler damage look small.   Although not as bad obviously, it sort of reminds me of the mindless destruction caused by mountain-top removal down in eastern KY.  And our tax dollars paid for it!

It's also hypocritical to call this place a nature preserve.  There's got to be several tons of rusting metal near the sides of the road.  I lost count of it all I saw when I walked the road today.  With all the heavy equipment and manpower it took to dig the tank traps and put giant boulders everywhere, they could have easily removed all this trash.  We saw lots of plastic pipe, beer cans, and dead telephone poles too.

If I'd been in charge, I would have rebuilt the road to the nice thing it used to be and then put all the tank traps and boulders on the places where people could gain access to the State Park and Nature Preserve.  That way the road would still be available to attract tourists and could be used for accessing oil wells, fighting forest fires, doing rescues, etc.  I heard that it used to be a county road, and if that is the case it should be made a county road again.  There's a website which deals with all sorts of Natural Bridge access issues.  It's http://www.SaveOurCave.org and well worth looking at.  I get the impression that they are working to get the Narrows Road opened too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first drove across the Narrows (White&#8217;s Branch Arch) in mid 1970&#8217;s.  In those days the Narrows road was well maintained by large oil companies, and any kind of car could be be driven on it.  When the oil boom bottomed out and the larger oil companies pulled out, the Narrows road began to deteriorate.  Normal erosion from weather was the biggest killer, especially on the big hill on the west side of the Arch.  Rains turned it into a boulder field and made it impassable in anything except jeeps and dune buggies.  Eventually, off-roaders from out-of-state discovered the area, and the deterioration of the road was greatly accelerated.  Most of the erosion on the Arch itself was caused by big machines driven by fun-loving and often inebriated people.  A perfect combination for mindless destruction of nature!</p>
<p>To &#8220;cure&#8221; this problem, Natural Bridge State Park and the KY State Nature Preserves Commission conspired to keep people off the road by construction the biggest &#8220;tank traps&#8221; any of us have ever seen - even on battlefields.  This biggest one, the one closest to the Arch, is over 100 feet long, about 40 feet wide, and nearly 20 feet deep near the ends.  On either side, boulders weighing several tons have been positioned; and on the southerly side, there&#8217;s a huge guard rail which runs over the mountainside.  This is the trap that was shown in the Herald-Leader with the guy standing on the foot bridge.  Because of the lens used on the camera, and the height of the camera from the ground, the trap doesn&#8217;t look too big.  To see it for real makes you want to gag!  It&#8217;s big enough to put a house trailer in!!! Looking at it makes you wonder what kind of mind it took to dream up such devastation.  Besides keeping out motor vehicles, this trap effectively keeps out horses, old people, and fat people because the sides at each end of the bridge are much higher and steeper than it looks in this picture.  This makes it dangerous when trying to get down to the bridge.</p>
<p>The purpose of this big tank trap and the MANY other smaller ones was to discourage people from using the Narrows Road.  I&#8217;m told that the Nature Preserves Commission had to be threatened with a lawsuit because they tried to stop a mountain bike race from using the Road.  The race was eventually allowed when an attorney pointed out that the Sheltowee Trace also runs down the Narrows Road, and so bikers, etc. couldn&#8217;t be kept out.</p>
<p>I see now why the off-road people are using the word &#8220;hypocricy&#8221; when describing the damage the government did.  The massive damage caused by all the traps and berms makes the 4-wheeler damage look small.   Although not as bad obviously, it sort of reminds me of the mindless destruction caused by mountain-top removal down in eastern KY.  And our tax dollars paid for it!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also hypocritical to call this place a nature preserve.  There&#8217;s got to be several tons of rusting metal near the sides of the road.  I lost count of it all I saw when I walked the road today.  With all the heavy equipment and manpower it took to dig the tank traps and put giant boulders everywhere, they could have easily removed all this trash.  We saw lots of plastic pipe, beer cans, and dead telephone poles too.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;d been in charge, I would have rebuilt the road to the nice thing it used to be and then put all the tank traps and boulders on the places where people could gain access to the State Park and Nature Preserve.  That way the road would still be available to attract tourists and could be used for accessing oil wells, fighting forest fires, doing rescues, etc.  I heard that it used to be a county road, and if that is the case it should be made a county road again.  There&#8217;s a website which deals with all sorts of Natural Bridge access issues.  It&#8217;s <a href="http://www.SaveOurCave.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.SaveOurCave.org</a> and well worth looking at.  I get the impression that they are working to get the Narrows Road opened too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Scott, who says:  "An ATV that is operated properly on public lands will never cause the amount of damage that has benn eluded to in this article. "

Scott as you know, the problem is that ATVs are not operated properly.  ATV riders like to go off trail and in the streams.  The Forest Service does not  have the money to repair the damage.  What I think we need to do is look at the Hatfield McCoy trail system in West Va, where there are some better safety regulations and designated trails.

If the people who ride ATVs in the Daniel Boone would just respect the woods, instead of trying to destroy them, we wouldnt have this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Scott, who says:  &#8220;An ATV that is operated properly on public lands will never cause the amount of damage that has benn eluded to in this article. &#8221;</p>
<p>Scott as you know, the problem is that ATVs are not operated properly.  ATV riders like to go off trail and in the streams.  The Forest Service does not  have the money to repair the damage.  What I think we need to do is look at the Hatfield McCoy trail system in West Va, where there are some better safety regulations and designated trails.</p>
<p>If the people who ride ATVs in the Daniel Boone would just respect the woods, instead of trying to destroy them, we wouldnt have this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan comes to think that I hate environmentalist.  The term Enviromentalist has attached it's definition to the far left side and with validity.  Personally, I love the environment or else I would live in the city.   I even recycle and there is no garbage pick up in Wolfe County.  I drive one hour round trip to empty my garbage.  That is not good business sense because my time is worth much more than that.  But I refuse to through garbage over the cliff or even litter.  But I do dislike the environmentalists who pass judgement on recreational users who are in pursuit of Happiness, which our founding fathers put into the constitution.  Let adventure tourism live.  If there was not a market for people enjoying nature, by getting out in it, Billions of dollars would not be spent per year.  If we want to better Kentucky's incomes and way of life, environmentalist need to get over it, and let our on people and visitors enjoy our state.  This will even increase the state coffer's by having a higher tax base.

But I also give people the experience of nature and I make money on it.  My clients love to experience nature.  But we should not close nature off , but let people experience nature whether it is on the trail, closing off our cave at Natural Bridge, closing rock walls, etc.  After all who is paying the salaries of the people closing off the land?  Who paid for the land in our State and Federal lands?   We did, our tax dollars at work.  So why don't we us some of this land for adventure tourism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan comes to think that I hate environmentalist.  The term Enviromentalist has attached it&#8217;s definition to the far left side and with validity.  Personally, I love the environment or else I would live in the city.   I even recycle and there is no garbage pick up in Wolfe County.  I drive one hour round trip to empty my garbage.  That is not good business sense because my time is worth much more than that.  But I refuse to through garbage over the cliff or even litter.  But I do dislike the environmentalists who pass judgement on recreational users who are in pursuit of Happiness, which our founding fathers put into the constitution.  Let adventure tourism live.  If there was not a market for people enjoying nature, by getting out in it, Billions of dollars would not be spent per year.  If we want to better Kentucky&#8217;s incomes and way of life, environmentalist need to get over it, and let our on people and visitors enjoy our state.  This will even increase the state coffer&#8217;s by having a higher tax base.</p>
<p>But I also give people the experience of nature and I make money on it.  My clients love to experience nature.  But we should not close nature off , but let people experience nature whether it is on the trail, closing off our cave at Natural Bridge, closing rock walls, etc.  After all who is paying the salaries of the people closing off the land?  Who paid for the land in our State and Federal lands?   We did, our tax dollars at work.  So why don&#8217;t we us some of this land for adventure tourism?</p>
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		<title>By: BSman</title>
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		<dc:creator>BSman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wont keep me out....never have never will. Me and my buddies are here to stay and although we respect the land because we are respectful people not because there is a law that demands us to be respectful. I suggest the "Urbanites" and the "TreeHuggers" find a new cause to live for like replenishing the food banks in Lexington that are running out of food for Lexingtons Homeless....theres something to really be compassionate about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wont keep me out&#8230;.never have never will. Me and my buddies are here to stay and although we respect the land because we are respectful people not because there is a law that demands us to be respectful. I suggest the &#8220;Urbanites&#8221; and the &#8220;TreeHuggers&#8221; find a new cause to live for like replenishing the food banks in Lexington that are running out of food for Lexingtons Homeless&#8230;.theres something to really be compassionate about.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I think that you are missing the point I don't ride and ATV and I think access should be limited in certian areas of the gorge.  But there is a larger issus going on here and that is the park continues to restrict areas in gorge to even hikers.  There are many places that hikers and climbers can no longer go and for no really good reason.  Pocket wall was a world famous hang out for climbers and was featured in many mags and iti s now closed for no good reason. The park admin is broken and those in high places are not making good decsions.  I would encrouge you to visit www.saveourcave.org to learn more about this and not take my word for it.  My view here is why cause more damage to prevent damage better soultions are available to keep ATV's out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I think that you are missing the point I don&#8217;t ride and ATV and I think access should be limited in certian areas of the gorge.  But there is a larger issus going on here and that is the park continues to restrict areas in gorge to even hikers.  There are many places that hikers and climbers can no longer go and for no really good reason.  Pocket wall was a world famous hang out for climbers and was featured in many mags and iti s now closed for no good reason. The park admin is broken and those in high places are not making good decsions.  I would encrouge you to visit <a href="http://www.saveourcave.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourcave.org</a> to learn more about this and not take my word for it.  My view here is why cause more damage to prevent damage better soultions are available to keep ATV&#8217;s out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark you say, "Besides that. Environmentalist wish to keep our future generation from seeing and experiecing nature by shutting off. Well go ahead and keep the kids at home and not out doing something with their siblings, family, and friends. Let’s keep our kids out of nature and keep them home playing video games and getting fat because we want to keep them out of nature."

Has Tom or anyone or anyone else actually suggested this?  Does you think that if you can't drive an ATV then you can't see nature? Have you not heard of hiking, horseback riding, or biking?

You talk about the problem of littering, illegal dumping , and straight pipes. Do you think that you could actually find an environmentalist that thinks that those things are okay?

Your argument boils down to "I hate environmentalists because they don't want me to make money with a business that is destructive to the park."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark you say, &#8220;Besides that. Environmentalist wish to keep our future generation from seeing and experiecing nature by shutting off. Well go ahead and keep the kids at home and not out doing something with their siblings, family, and friends. Let’s keep our kids out of nature and keep them home playing video games and getting fat because we want to keep them out of nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>Has Tom or anyone or anyone else actually suggested this?  Does you think that if you can&#8217;t drive an ATV then you can&#8217;t see nature? Have you not heard of hiking, horseback riding, or biking?</p>
<p>You talk about the problem of littering, illegal dumping , and straight pipes. Do you think that you could actually find an environmentalist that thinks that those things are okay?</p>
<p>Your argument boils down to &#8220;I hate environmentalists because they don&#8217;t want me to make money with a business that is destructive to the park.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DY</title>
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		<dc:creator>DY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they put as much effort into creating a usable trail system as they did digging those trenches (which, by the way, do not work) they may be able to capitalize on future tourism. There are many examples where trail systems are built properly and create no long lasting environmental effects. (Hatfield-McCoy, Royal Blue, Windrock, Willie Begley, etc...) In fact, left unattended, a forest will engulf a normal trail in a year or two, leaving no sign of ever existing.  We need to figure out ways to embrace ORV's!  ATV's and Side By Side vehicles (Rhinos &#38; Razr's) are here to stay. Big money!!! Remember, the "locals" will always find a way to get to their favorite destination. Don't be foolish like the idiots in the Record Industry were when they tried to prevent mp3's from being downloaded/shared a few years ago. If they had embraced and figured out a way to capitalize on the emerging trend, they (not APPLE - iTunes) would be making ALL THE MONEY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they put as much effort into creating a usable trail system as they did digging those trenches (which, by the way, do not work) they may be able to capitalize on future tourism. There are many examples where trail systems are built properly and create no long lasting environmental effects. (Hatfield-McCoy, Royal Blue, Windrock, Willie Begley, etc&#8230;) In fact, left unattended, a forest will engulf a normal trail in a year or two, leaving no sign of ever existing.  We need to figure out ways to embrace ORV&#8217;s!  ATV&#8217;s and Side By Side vehicles (Rhinos &amp; Razr&#8217;s) are here to stay. Big money!!! Remember, the &#8220;locals&#8221; will always find a way to get to their favorite destination. Don&#8217;t be foolish like the idiots in the Record Industry were when they tried to prevent mp3&#8217;s from being downloaded/shared a few years ago. If they had embraced and figured out a way to capitalize on the emerging trend, they (not APPLE - iTunes) would be making ALL THE MONEY!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual the quote by the Sierra club member Dave Cooper is exaggeration.  "One four-wheeler can do more damage than a hundred horses or mountain bikes."  This is an unbelievable and uneducated statement.  An ATV that is operated properly on public lands will never cause the amount of damage that has benn eluded to in this article. The Sierra Club has been responsible for public lands being closed to public use across the country.  The Sierra Club has been known to use some rather underhanded practices in some states to have land closed to OHVs.  The list is long so investigate it for your self.

I have ridden motorcycles off-road for many years.  Do they displace soil? Yes, they do.  I am aware of this.  As a tax paying citizen I deserve the right to use the public lands as much as anyone else.  The trails are supposed to set up so that minimal errosion is possible.  The problem that I have encountered is the trail systems like, the Diamond Trail in Red Bird are not maintained properly by the forestry srvice.  Water breaks are not put in place to prevent erosion.
I pay $40 a year for my permit and I deserve the same usage as hunters, fishermen, hikers, or mountain bikers.  I guess Dave Cooper thinks that hiking and mountain biking cause zero erosion.  If I cant use the property neither can they.  They cause erosion also.  They might also damage the fauna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual the quote by the Sierra club member Dave Cooper is exaggeration.  &#8220;One four-wheeler can do more damage than a hundred horses or mountain bikes.&#8221;  This is an unbelievable and uneducated statement.  An ATV that is operated properly on public lands will never cause the amount of damage that has benn eluded to in this article. The Sierra Club has been responsible for public lands being closed to public use across the country.  The Sierra Club has been known to use some rather underhanded practices in some states to have land closed to OHVs.  The list is long so investigate it for your self.</p>
<p>I have ridden motorcycles off-road for many years.  Do they displace soil? Yes, they do.  I am aware of this.  As a tax paying citizen I deserve the right to use the public lands as much as anyone else.  The trails are supposed to set up so that minimal errosion is possible.  The problem that I have encountered is the trail systems like, the Diamond Trail in Red Bird are not maintained properly by the forestry srvice.  Water breaks are not put in place to prevent erosion.<br />
I pay $40 a year for my permit and I deserve the same usage as hunters, fishermen, hikers, or mountain bikers.  I guess Dave Cooper thinks that hiking and mountain biking cause zero erosion.  If I cant use the property neither can they.  They cause erosion also.  They might also damage the fauna.</p>
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